Answering a Christian’s Challenge on Quran Manuscripts

Over at brother Ijaz Ahmed’s website “Calling Christians”, I am in a discussion with a Christian named “Zozeph Francisco” (see the screenshots below). He was posting in response to brother Ijaz’s post on Dan Brubaker’s book “Corrections in Early Qur’an Manuscripts”, which was reblogged on this blog previously. This Christian asked whether there were any manuscripts of the Quran that contain all 114 surahs. Brother Ijaz had already pointed out that all 114 surahs are in fact accounted for in the 1st-century of the Islamic calendar. But I could see the Christian was not satisfied. Thus, I pointed him to the Topkapi Manuscript, which is dated to the 1st/2nd century AH and contains 99% of the Quranic text. All 114 surahs are accounted for, with only 2 folios missing. Unsurprisingly, realizing that he had been refuted, the Christian moved the goal post!

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472 thoughts on “Answering a Christian’s Challenge on Quran Manuscripts

      1. mr.heathcliff

        when moses was stabbing pregnant woman was he loving yhwh with all his heart? you applaud him because your bible tell u to worship him and OBEY his commands . u saw jesus who totally TRASHED moses’ law, he SAID eating food sacrificed to IDOLS does not DEFILE, he reduce law of yhwh to DIGESTION and drain . you APPLAUD moses, u must DEPLORE jesus.

        you attack MUHAMMAD PBUH, but u DO not attack jesus for his HYPOCRISY and double standards, he DOES away the law of yhwh for the TRADITIONS of men. it was the pagans who EAT ANY FOOD because they did not think that DIETY would CARE about what u eat.

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      2. mr.heathcliff

        i know u must applaud moses , because your god PUBLICLY crowned him , then told his that the laws of god are so great than NO OTHER nation has such laws. your god is telling u guys to obey and respect moses because he was chosen and verified by the public. so then, the question is, why do you not FOLLOW a prophet who is CHOSEN IN THE PUBLIC ? it must MEAN SOMETHING, if yhwh (false god) chose “pus:y grabber trump” and crowned him in PUBLIC, then u must obey and LISTEN to trump

        WHO the (((((( r U to say LAW of moses is “old” ?

        did moses or his god SAY it was old ?

        why jew is given COMMANDMENT , but the same pagan gentile is fine to continue in his way? does god , in time of moses, not LOVE the gentile pagan? does god not WANT PAGAN GENTILE FOLLOW his “righteous torah”
        does god not WANT pagan gentile in time of moses, jeremiah , abraham to change his way and love and do law of “righteous and holy” yhwh ?

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      3. Fine so Muhammad is the greatest example of a true disciple of Moses who read the Bible and acknowledged it word by word over Quran. Hats off to Mohammed. And this is why Muhammadens around the world follow Muhammad indirectly accepting the teachings of the Mosaic law written in the Bible. So why Muslims are crying they should acknowledge that Muhammad accepted Bible over the Quran.

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      4. mr.heathcliff

        ” So fine with me because as a Christian I don’t follow the Mosaic law but Muhammad did”

        who HAS GIVEN U the authority and right to CHOOSE who to follow ?
        do you SELECT COMMAND TO worship ONE diety and have no other gods besides yhwh?
        do you DESELECT command to KILL idol worshippers?
        do you SELECT command and deselect what FITS your DESIRES? then you are a SLAVE TO YOUR desires.

        i have made argument that your god said NO OTHER NATION HAS LAWS AS PERFECT as his and here you want to tell your god that pagan human sacrifice REPLACES gods GUIDANCE?

        you are saying that u have been GIVEN to FOLLOW what you WANT to follow, but the ten COMMANDMENTS ARE CLEARLY INTERLINED WITH THE REST THAT FOLLOW.

        u are a HYPOCRITE and you follow the TRADITIONS of men.

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      5. Abdul it seems you are failing to get the better of me. Like I said as a Christian we don’t follow the Mosaic law. Ok let me ask you one simple question as a Muslim can you take me as your friend. Just answer yes or no.

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      6. mr.heathcliff

        ” So fine with me because as a Christian I don’t follow the Mosaic law but Muhammad did”

        moses DECLARED and crowned in the public.

        i quote :
        And why? Why should God allow someone whose teachings are false to perform signs and wonders? He “is testing you to know whether you love Hashem, your God, with all your heart and with all your sould. Hashem, your God, shall you follow and Him shall you fear; His commandments shall you observe and to His voice shall you hearken; Him shall you serve and to Him shall you cleave” (Deut. 13:4-5). Our loyalty ought to be to our Creator. Miracles arrest the attention, but they must not draw us away from Hashem. They do not justify any and every teaching

        end quote

        THE WHOLE point of FOCUSING ON commands is the way you catch out a false miracle WORKER, you HAVE admitted that you APPLAUD MOSES, now u need to GO ALL THE WAY and LISTEN AND OBEY him like jesus told u to .

        the truth is that jesus told u guys TO LISTEN TO THE pharisees, in other words jesus is thinking the pharisees are saying what jesus is saying , but jesus is NOT THROWING away the VIOLENCE in the torah.

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      7. Abdul I never applauded Moses but Muhammad who is the best exemplify of the Mosaic law. I think Muhammad read the Bible and was inspired by the true Yahweh God. This is why he followed the commandments given to Moses. Woww great Muhammad hats off for accepting Bible over the Quran.

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      8. mr.heathcliff

        “Like I said as a Christian we don’t follow the Mosaic law. ”

        but you are a LIAR. you do follow him, only the parts which agree with what u like .lol .
        so tell me slave of wood, WHY do you say you do not FOLLOW laws which god says are RIGHTEOUS and HOLY ?

        is the command to worship no other god HOLY?
        do u follow this command ? if yes, why the list stop where u like it to stop ?

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      9. mr.heathcliff

        “acknowledge that Muhammad accepted Bible over the Quran.”

        so now you are saying that the QURAN does not agree to the terrorism of the bible?

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      10. mr.heathcliff

        “Again Muhammad is justifying what Moses did”

        do you JUSTIFY what moses did ? did moses listen to the holy and righteous commands of yhwh 1 and three?

        from now on your god will be called “yhwh 1 and three” l

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  1. mr.heathcliff

    “I think Muhammad read the Bible and was inspired by the true Yahweh God. ”

    so when u read bible , u are not inspired by “true yhwh 1 and 3” god ? thanks for telling me that bible no inspire u .
    lol

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      1. Your mind has been destroyed from being a Christian too long. Read Ezekiel moron. I am just refuting your claim that the OT is “history”. It proves that Christianity is a false religion. Now stop running and defend your evil book.

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      2. 🤣😂🤣 This guy is hilarious!

        Try to keep up moron. I don’t believe in the Bible. You do. I am saying that your Bible proves your religion is false. So renounce your religion please.

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  2. mr.heathcliff

    “Your prophet Muhammad justified the laws of Moses and enacted on them.”

    ““I think Muhammad read the Bible and was inspired by the true Yahweh God. ”

    so you are saying that since u r not following your yhwh god, then it must not be INSPIRING u , thanks lol

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    1. Abdul I never said I denounce Yahweh God. I believe in the Father, Son and the Holy Ghost. JH 14:6 Jesus is very clear that to go to the Father you need to come to me first. So as a Christian I follow the New Testament while Old Testament is a historical book. Here’s another darling act by Muslims towards the Christians.
      https://www.assistnews.net/christian-school-in-eastern-uganda-torn-down/?ct=t(RSS_EMAIL_CAMPAIGN)&mc_cid=52e5283463&mc_eid=3cc0c2bb82

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      1. mr.heathcliff

        ” JH 14:6 Jesus is very clear that to go to the Father you need to come to me first.”

        u r suck a retarded piece of scum. you said

        “Your prophet Muhammad justified the laws of Moses and enacted on them.”

        ““I think Muhammad read the Bible and was inspired by the true Yahweh God. ”

        NOW U r saying jesus AND U r not INSPIRED by “true yhwh god”

        are you inspired by what yhwh TOLD and did in OLD TESTAMENT?

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      2. mr.heathcliff

        u r saying inspiration causes prophet pbuh to do something on the other hand inspiration causes u to eat pork. what a piece of scum bag you are.

        so u read history of jesus raping pregnant women and telling jews to kill pregnant women and infants, but u r not inspired ? why are u not inspuired by this when god said he is holy and righteous ?

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      3. mr.heathcliff

        ” JH 14:6 Jesus is very clear that to go to the Father you need to come to me first.”

        this means your jesus was false prophet because according to u both muhammad pbuh and your ot moses, put commandmwnt inro ACTION whereas jesus told u to sit back and read a book. so u and nt jesus r two hypocrites.

        do u agree?

        the two, moses of ot and muhammad pbuh WERE inspired to do something , whereas your jesus from nt just read ot like priest in church., then munched on pork sacrificed to idols lol

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      4. mr.heathcliff

        ” Here’s another darling act by Muslims towards the Christians.”

        but torah inspire this, right? LOL

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      5. mr.heathcliff

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        you filthy bastard, your religion teaches that a god impregnates his mother and then suckles on her, then when he grows up ABANDONS her and leaves her to fend for herself.

        your god USED his mother as a VESSEL, u filthy BASTARD!
        _______________________________________________________________
        Admin Note: Brother, I removed the image of Mary and the infant Jesus since it is degrading. The Christians have no shame in even depicting the blessed Mary breastfeeding the baby Jesus.

        Still, an excellent point though!

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      6. This is what is in the Quran. Why are you lieing. See when a Muhammadens are cornered they will attach Jesus Christ. I can understand when Muhammad said he will marry mother Mary.

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  3. stewjo004

    @ Tony

    This kaffir is so retarded he doesn’t even know what his religion teaches. The “Mosaic Law” is not “done away with” or “history” lol. Jesus(as) in their books tells them they are actually supposed to do it.

    I mean what else do you expect from someone who doesn’t even know basics like Moses(as) wasn’t the first prophet? These people don’t even know about THEIR religion but then want to try to talk about Islam does or doesn’t believe.

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    1. Yes thanks I don’t know the Mosaic law but your prophet Muhammad perfected over the Quran. So are Muhammadens ashamed about their prophet. You Muslims must acknowledge that Muhammad mastered the Mosaic law. Hats off to Muhammad.

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      1. mr.heathcliff

        I LEAVE u with this message,

        [Admin: Image removed]

        mary of christianity to nt jesus. the god who nourished me is now nourishing from me.

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      2. https://www.meforum.org/6554/muhammad-and-the-virgin-mary

        Thanks this is what I accepted from a filthy scum son of pig like you. This is what the son of Muta Muhammad said about Mother of God. Just because you Mohammedans failed to defeat me this is why you Muslims sons of swine came with the sentence. Well, Muhammad and his Satanic cult Islam is defeated. Go tell your mothers and sisters and your daughters breastfeed strangers. Takbir Yeshua Al Akbar. Takbir Messiah Al Akbar.

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      3. mr.heathcliff

        “But this is what will happen] if you do not listen to Me, and do not keep all these commandments. 26:15 If you come to denigrate My decrees, and grow tired of My laws, then you will not keep all My commandments, and you will have broken My covenant. 26:16 I will then do the same to you. I will bring upon you feelings of anxiety, along with depression and excitement, destroying your outlook and making life hopeless. . .

        ur god said u r in depression. u r better to jump off cliff . u r dead meat. so when will u obey yhwh your hairy god ?

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      4. stewjo004

        @ Zoze

        The key point in your last post:

        “I don’t know the Mosaic law…”

        So then why are speaking on religion then? To begin Shariah is WAY LESS the book you claim is the Torah. Because you are IGNORANT and have not properly studied you cannot have an opinion. You are so busy learning propaganda against Islam you don’t even know your own book or the fact that Jesus (As) told you to follow the garbage I just quoted. Let me highlight for you

        Do not think that I have come to ABOLISH (get rid of) the Law (The Torah of Moses) or the Prophets (Prophethood has not ended with me); I have not come to abolish them, but to fulfill them (Matt 5:17)

        Now, NONE of this regarding Islam or Moses’s prophethood (from an Islamic perspective) is true and we have a higher standard of who the prophets are and what God’s religion is. If you actually learned your religion you would know Islam is the Truth

        5:77. Tell them: “People of the Scripture, don’t go beyond the truth in your religion and do not follow the whims of a group who were lost before you, misleading many and who continue to stray from the Right path…” Among them are priest and elders wanting to become closer with God along with people who do not long for the worldly life, because they are not arrogant. If they hear what was sent down to the Messenger you will see their eyes begin to trickle with tears, because of what they’ve recognized as the Truth and exclaim: “Our Lord, we believe! Write down our names with those who have witnessed and testified! Why wouldn’t we believe in God and in the Truth that has come down to us, when we long and hope for our Lord to include us in the company of the righteous people?” So God has showered on them Gardens with rivers flowing underneath them where they will stay in for eternity because of what they’ve said. This is the reward for those who graduated to excellence. But those who deliberately lied against My revelations will be people of the Roaring Flame… (5:77-86)

        Become a Muslim and ACTUALLY follow the religion of Jesus and Moses (peace be upon them both).

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  4. stewjo004

    @ Zoze

    No Zoze you have not defeated us in anything you have defeated yourself.

    Sigh. Now this is what I’m talking about regarding your ignorance. To begin you cannot say “The Messiah is greater” as he himself never claimed that:

    17As Jesus started on His way, a man ran up and knelt before Him. “Good Teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?” 18“Why do you call Me good?” Jesus replied. “No one is good except God alone. (Mark 10:17-18)

    …the Father is greater than I. (John14:28)

    Nothing is greater than God you see. So why would you worship another human being?

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    1. So this braying donkey never answered on Numbers 31:18 I see. Up on the wall he goes then. I’ll update it later.

      Zozo, you should renounce your evil god since you have been so afraid of discussing Numbers 31. I can see it makes you very uncomfortable, as it should. No sane person would like hearing about little boys being killed and little girls taken as sex slaves. So be a good donkey and renounce your god.

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      1. 🤣 You moron! We have our own rules for determining what is true and what is false with regard to the hadiths. A weak Hadith is not considered authentic. Plus, we have actual authentic hadiths that state that killing the elderly is forbidden.

        As for your evil Bible, you believe it is scripture. There is no weak or strong, dummy. You have to believe in the entire Bible. And your Bible is evil, so you believe in evil and will burn in hell.

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      2. Thanks this is what Muhammad believed in the Bible rather than Quran. Thanks for proving that Muhammad believed this is why when Moses said to take young girls Muhammad did exactly by taking the children as Sex slaves when he attacked the Banu Qurayza tribe.

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    2. Yes you are defeated because Muhammad wanted to sleep with Mother Mary. And the link that I posted was from your Iman so I know Muslims are filthy bastards. Yes because if Muhammad instructed to breastfeed your mother, sister and daughters. So what can I accept from Muhammad. Your prophet Muhammad was worse than Moses thank God Moses was not there if not he would had roasted Muhammad alive.

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      1. Lol, you keep proving what a moron you are. Mary will be the Prophet’s wife in Paradise inshaAllah. That makes sense. The best of men and the best of women together in love. It’s beautiful.

        I’m still waiting for you to prove your breastfeeding lie. Man, in the last 4 days, you must have accumulated like 100 lies to your credit. You are a son of Satan! 😂

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      2. Still it doesn’t change, why did Muhammad ordered feed the milk from the women’s breast and not from an animal. Ok Abdul I am coming to your house tell your mother or sister or daughter to take out milk from their breasts and feed me. Will you do so.

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      3. 🤣😂 Face it donkey. You were refuted! If you weren’t such a mindless moron who copies every false claim from the internet, you would have figured it out for yourself.

        As I said, the incident with Salim was a ONE-TIME thing. It is not a general ruling.

        And of course you would want to get near women any way you can, wouldn’t you filthy pervert? Thanks for proving what a sick mind you have!

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      4. 🤣😂 You buffoon! You have actually proven that Isis is following your evil Bible. If they followed Muhammad, they wouldn’t do the things they do. They are actually just as evil as your Bible.

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      5. mr.heathcliff

        “k Abdul I am coming to your house tell your mother or sister or daughter to take out milk from their breasts and feed me. ”

        insulting prophet would have been enough to ban this son of a bitch, but now he is attacking the women in islam. i wish i knew where this mofo lived.

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      6. mr.heathcliff

        “Your prophet Muhammad was worse than Moses thank God Moses was not there if not he would had roasted Muhammad alive.”

        moses wood have sent your nt jesus to hell faster than jesus could say pharisee.

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  5. stewjo004

    @ QB

    He does realize he isn’t even insulting lol:

    “Muhammad was like Moses!!!”

    Okay…? We agree it’s one of the prophecies in Deuteronomy and John.

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  6. stewjo004

    @ QB

    These people are truly idiots the source he quoted from said its weak. So we didn’t make it up. lo unlike his ancestors we actually verify things as opposed to:

    “There are four gospels because there are four cardinal directions”

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      1. mr.heathcliff

        hey bro, would be a good idea to write something like

        breast feeding (hyper link response)

        captives (hyper link response)

        banu kurayza (hyper link response)

        then, update each hyper link with any new information

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  7. stewjo004

    @ Tony

    So like a pre-made link refuting their standard crap?

    @ QB

    I’m thinking of writing a brief synopsis for each member of the wall of shame so that when we want to relive the memories it will give us a brief reminder.

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      1. stewjo004

        @ Zoze

        Trust me nobody will be deleting your comments because each one brings untold amounts of joy and laughter because of its stupidity. So anyways do you agree with what God (aka Jesus) ordered Moses to do? Just need a yes or no good sir.

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      1. Yes, since you Muhammadans didn’t get the better of me started to jump from one book to another. So what you say about Muhammad a big fan of Moses. Who did exactly what Moses did.

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      2. Lol, you’re too stupid to realize how much damage you have caused yourself and your pagan religion. You’re embarrassed of your evil Bible which is why you keep running everytime you’re exposed.

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      3. Where I am embarrassed, but I am supporting Muhammad who proved to be the perfect disciple of Moses. Hats off to Muhammad. And while supporting Muhammad Muhammadens are feeling agitated then that is your problem.

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      4. You’re making a fool of yourself. Why not just shut your mouth and avoid any more humiliation? You have committed multiple heresies in your bumbling responses which I don’t think your fellow pagans would appreciate. You’ve thrown your Bible under the bus multiple times.

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      5. Then why did Muhammad copy the commandments of Moses. If Moses committed genocide then why did Muhammad repeat. Muhammad should had said not to repeat what Moses did but followed the footsteps of the Mosaic law. Hats off to Muhammad.

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      6. I am laughing at the Muhammadens who have become so desperate and frustrated like a woman. Because they failed to get the better of me. The Muslims boosted that they can show me my place by refuting, this is why they were itching to debate me on Bible. But now when I showed them that how Muhammad copied the Bible and the Mosaic law word by word the Muhammadens swelled in rage. Really I feel pity for Muslims. All what the Muslims are saying that I am embarrassed of what the Bible says. I already pointed out that the Mosaic law is off history, no Jew or Christian follows such law. But Muslims have to follow 1500 years of law. This is why they are forcing me to accept the Mosaic law and defend it so that the Muhammadans can get the better off me. Sorry Muslims for the last time no Christian or Jew follows the Mosaic law anymore. Yes the commandments are there as a work of history but not applicable for the 21st century. Only the New Testament is applicable for ages. So hats off to Muhammad who followed the Mosaic law and so do the Muslims.

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  8. stewjo004

    @ Zoze
    Now before I refute your stupidity once more, the first thing that has to be established is do you agree with what God (aka Jesus to you) ordered Moses(as) to do in your text?

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  9. stewjo004

    @ Zoze

    It does not matter bthatvyou all collectively decided to defy your books. The point is even if we go with your cop out AT ONE POINT according to your book it was NOT history but an event in which you allenge God ordered 16,000 lottle girls to be raped. Okay you all gained a conscience and realized the evil of your text good job catching up to the rest of us. HOWEVER we are arguing that your criticism of Prophet Muhammad’s (saw) wars which were no where near this is unfounded because whom you believe to be a prophet is accused of doing much worse.

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    1. If so then go question Muhammad don’t cry on me. Your prophet was the right example of a true disciple of Moses. If Moses told to keep young girls so did Muhammad who took the Jewish children as sex slaves when he attacked Banu Qurayza. So hats off to Muhammad.

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      1. mr.heathcliff

        “The point is even if we go with your cop out AT ONE POINT according to your book it was NOT history but an event in which you allenge God ordered 16,000 lottle girls to be raped. Okay you all gained a conscience and realized the evil of your text good job catching up to the rest of us.”

        the crosstian gaining of conscience is running contrary to what the torah says about itself
        “holy”
        “righteous”
        in other words, their jesus is telling them that the SLAYING of pregnant women, DISABLED women, unborn, born etc is HOLY and righteous and we have seen that christianity HAS always USED torah as a GUIDE for war. jesus , according to christians , told moses to CUT the throats of 3 year old children…..even when he says in nt “moses told you….” he is not saying “end violence right now” he is saying he has MILITARY angels because he realised his disciples are not WARRIORS like moses or COULD produce true faith LIKE moses did.

        this is AN IMPORTANT distinction .

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      2. This is what Muhammad followed. Raping and killing so Muhammad all raped and killed children stop crying Abdul. Your arse itched to debate over the Bible but you failed miserably. Takbir Yeshua Al Akbar . Takbir Messiah Al Akbar.

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      3. stewjo004

        @ Zoze

        I’m sorry you seem to uave missedba key point:

        “Which were no where near this”

        Meaning this is something unheard of to us.

        But since you will just keep deflecting since we know this is bad let’s move to a different topic. So Zoze if I disprove the Trinity using only yoir books will you stop worshipping Jesus?

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      4. mr.heathcliff

        “This is what Muhammad followed. Raping and killing so Muhammad all raped and killed children stop crying Abdul. Your arse itched to debate over the Bible but you failed miserably.”

        i am telling you yeshuah (funny that name sounds like joshuas name, jesus named joshua because jesus the pagan war god told joshua to gang bang and rape , so jesus came down and decided to look cool by taking on joshuas name)

        what i am saying is holy spirit sent your ass here to take a 4 round pounding and we , like joel the prostitute want to prolong your ass pounding.

        ” Takbir Yeshua Al Akbar”

        SLAVE OF wood, if you know what is the difference between MAKLOOK and khaliq and you know that maklook is ALWAYS dependent /contingent upon AL-KHALIQ, you will never use such term for yeshua AL KHAZAB and al baatil (nt jesus)

        “. Takbir Messiah Al Akbar.”

        messiah is created and says ” i by mYSELF CANNOT DO ANYTHING”

        meaning your gods GOD is AL AKBAR and nothing can be measured or compared to him

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      5. mr.heathcliff

        i bet you are one of those bulgarian/romanian anti islamic bastards who have settled in england. your people on jumu3a day pretend to be muslims so they can steal money and in ramadan they always begging near muslim owned businesses. your employment of certain english terms gives away where u r residing .

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