Al-Isra and the “Temple” in the Islamic Sources: Response to Sam Shamoun, Part III-B

Al-Isra and the “Temple” in the Islamic Sources: Response to Sam Shamoun, Part III-B

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بِسْمِ اللهِ الرَّحْمٰنِ الرَّحِيْم

“Exalted is He who took His Servant by night from al-Masjid al-Haram to al-Masjid al-Aqsa, whose surroundings We have blessed, to show him of Our signs. Indeed, He is the Hearing, the Seeing.”

– The Quran, Surah Al-Isra, 17:1[1]

            This article is a continuation of my three-part refutation of Sam Shamoun’s latest train-wreck. Here, I will respond to “Part 2” of Shamoun’s rebuttal. As we will see, Shamoun has a weird hang-up on the meaning of the word “mosque” (this will be seen in Part III-C as well). He is so convinced of his own idiotic opinion, that he will even try to twist the scholarly sources to say what he wants them to say, and even try to revise established history just to glorify his ego. However, Shamoun’s shoddy and deceptive tactics will be refuted, inshaAllah.

Sam Shamoun – The Fraud, Act 2

            Shamoun begins this train-wreck in “Part 2” by appealing to some more ahadith which he thinks support his argument, but which actually further demonstrate his incompetence and ignorance of classical Islamic sources. Moreover, this is just a repetition of the same argument that I have already thoroughly refuted. When the ahadith refer to the “Mosque of Aqsa” or the “Mosque of Aelia”, or when they state that the Prophet prayed “in” the mosque, they are referring to the entire compound. Shamoun has yet to refute this, and yet he has convinced himself of his own delusion, which is why he says that:

“[s]eeing that the Kabah and Muhammad’s mosque are clearly physical buildings, this means that bait al-mqadis [sic] must be a physical building as well. There’s simply no way around this.”

It is truly amazing to see how deluded Shamoun really is. He really expects us to accept his flawed logic based on a non-sequitur. We have already established that Al-Masjid Al-Haram and Al-Masjid An-Nabawi were both built as open-air mosques. The dome that currently sits on top of the latter was only added later. In its original form, Al-Masjid An-Nabawi was just like Al-Masjid Al-Haram. Not only that, but the Kaaba (which is part of Al-Masjid Al-Haram) itself is part physical-building (the cube-shaped building) and part open-space (Al-Hatim). Finally, even if these were physical buildings complete with doors, windows, etc.,[2] that does not mean that Al-Masjid Al-Aqsa must also necessarily be a similar building. Shamoun just cannot get it through his head that this is just flawed logic on his part. As I explained in Part II, if I went on vacation and said that “I left my house in the morning and traveled to Tokyo”, no one in their right mind would assume that Tokyo must also be a house. Rather, it would be understood that it is a city.

            The extent of Shamoun’s delusion is so great that he even proposes the ridiculous and far-fetched theory that Surah 17 was “composed after the caliph Abd al-Malik bin Marwan”! He also states:

“[a]fter all, what better way to justify the Muslim conquest of Jerusalem than to claim that their prophet had been taken there as a sign that Allah had given him and his followers the right to it seeing that he is the seal of all the biblical prophets, and therefore the rightful heir to this holy place?”

But does Shamoun present any scholarly evidence to support this, other than his own idiotic non-sequitur and misunderstanding of the Islamic sources? Of course not. This is all in Shamoun’s incompetent mind. Indeed, the evidence is once again in opposition to Shamoun and his delusions.

            First of all, the fact is that there was no need to “justify the Muslim conquest of Jerusalem” by making up a verse about it which doesn’t even mention Jerusalem by name. If the motive was to establish a link between Islam and Jerusalem, then one would assume that the verse would have been forged so as to leave no doubt that it was referring to Jerusalem. Nevertheless, as we have seen, the verse was indeed clearly referring to the Holy Land (see Part III-A). The point is that if the motivation was to place a Muslim claim over Jerusalem by forging the verse, then it follows that the verse would have plainly mentioned Jerusalem  by name, which is not the case.

            The other reason why there was no need to justify a Muslim claim over Jerusalem by forging this verse is that there is no doubt that Muslims prayed in the direction of Jerusalem from the beginning, until the qibla (direction of prayer) was changed to Mecca. On this point, there is no disagreement, whether among Muslim scholars or non-Muslim scholars. No one denies that the first qibla was towards Jerusalem. Shamoun would be very hard-pressed to refute this. Indeed, it would be very unlikely, and down-right impossible, that all the qibla verses would also have been forged after Abd al-Malik ibn Marwan!  

            Second, we can point to the paleographical evidence to refute Shamoun’s absurd theory. A manuscript of the Quran, Codex Sana’a I, has been dated to the mid-first century AH (after hijra), and specifically to within 15 years after the Prophet Muhammad’s death.[3] As explained by “Islamic-Awareness”, scholars have thoroughly analyzed this codex and concluded that:

“…the scriptio inferior text belonged to the period of the companions of Prophet Muhammad, whilst the scriptio superior text belonged to the ʿUthmānic tradition, and using stemmatics, the ʿUthmānic tradition was shown to give the most accurate reproduction of the Prophetic prototype.”[4]

Moreover, the scriptio superior text is thought to have been written:

“…by the first or second half of the 7th century or even the early 8th century (more generally the 1st century hijra).”[5]

So there is a good chance that it was written before the reign of Abd al-Malik ibn Marwan (i.e., before 685 CE), though it is also possible (but unlikely) that it was written afterwards as well. Now, what does this have to with the present topic? Well, the codex contains more than 40% of the Quran, including Surah 17:1 (folio 6B).

            But wait, there is more. There is an even better example of paleographical evidence that completely refutes Shamoun’s theory. Codex B. L. Or. 2165 has been dated to the “second half of the 1st century of hijra”, and folio 39r contains the verse from Surah 17.[6] Furthermore, Yasin Dutton, an international authority on Quranic manuscripts, has suggested that the codex can be dated to before the reign of al-Walid  ibn Abd al-Malik(r. 705-715 CE),[7] the son of and successor to Abd al-Malik. In other words, we have good evidence that this codex was written before the time period that Shamoun is suggesting when Surah 17:1 was allegedly forged to manufacture an Islamic claim to Jerusalem! Thus, the paleographic evidence discounts Shamoun’s pathetic theory.

codex-bl-2165-folio-39r.png
Figure 1 – Codex B.L. Or. 2165, Folio 39r contains Surah 17:1 and has been dated by Yasin Dutton to before the year 705 CE (Source: http://www.bl.uk/manuscripts/Viewer.aspx?ref=or_2165_fs001r.

            But wait, there’s more! Codex Arabe 331 is another manuscript of the Quran which contains Surah 17:1 (folio 48v), and it has been dated with 89.3% probability to between 652–­­694 CE, thus placing it before the end of Abd al-Malik’s reign.[8] In contrast, there is only a 6.1% probability that it was written between 747­­­­­­­­–763 CE.

            More evidence of the Islamic connection to Jerusalem and the Holy Land comes from an anonymous Christian chronicler, previously thought to be a bishop named Sebeos.[9] This chronicler is thought to have written his account in the 660s, almost 20 years before the beginning of Abd al-Malik’s reign.[10] According to him, the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) himself had stated that the Holy Land had been given to Abraham (peace be upon him), which is also stated in the the Quran (see Part III-A), and that as the “posterity” of Abraham, the Muslims were to “go and take possession” of that land.[11] It seems unlikely that a Christian would have made up such a claim unless he had heard of the Islamic connection to the Holy Land and Jerusalem in some form.

            Finally, Uri Rubin explains that the Quran’s reference to Al-Masjid Al-Aqsa and Jerusalem “corresponds to the evidence of the vocabulary of the Qur’an itself…”[12] More importantly, Rubin states that this link (emphasis mine):

“…can be considered pre-Umayyad.”[13]

            Also, according to Professor Beatrice St. Laurent (Bridgewater State University), there is evidence that the governor of Syria, Muawiya (may Allah be pleased with him), had built a mosque on the Haram Al-Sharif compound between 638 and 660 CE (this mosque was known as Solomon’s Stables but is now known as the Marwani Musalla).[14] Not only that, but St. Laurent also proposes that it was Muawiya who initiated the construction of the Dome of the Rock, and not Abd Al-Malik Ibn Marwan. Rather, the latter continued the project where the former had left off, and completed the Dome of the Rock in 692 CE.[15] This is an interesting observation, as it would prove that a companion of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him), Muawiya, had placed great importance on the entire sanctuary. This is why he would have initiated 2 building projects, one for the Marwani Musalla and one for the Dome of the Rock, the latter being the location from which Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) ascended to Heaven during the Night Journey. This also proves once again that the entire compound was considered a sacred area, and thus a “mosque”, with smaller mosques built within it.

Beatrice St. Laurent - Temple Mount With Muawiya Mosque
Figure 2 – Aerial view of the Haram Al-Sharif (Temple Mount) compound. The green areas represent the location of the Marwani Musalla, built by Muawiya in the 600s CE. Source: https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/85c9/35af2ef8cf10a9143b98e3b7a345f86dbe82.pdf

So once again, Shamoun finds himself on the wrong side of history and the evidence. This concludes Part III-B of my response.


[1] This is from the Saheeh International translation.

[2] As we have already established, the “doors” of Al-Masjid Al-Aqsa mentioned in the ahadith simply refer to the gates of the Temple Mount compound. See Part I for a discussion.

[3] https://www.islamic-awareness.org/quran/text/mss/soth.html

[4] Ibid.

[5] Ibid.

[6] https://www.islamic-awareness.org/quran/text/mss/ms2165.html

[7] https://www.britannica.com/biography/al-Walid

[8] https://www.islamic-awareness.org/quran/text/mss/arabe331.html

[9] According to Robert Hoyland, the anonymous chronicle does not match “the three surviving excerpts from Sebeos’ composition”, and “so the two must be considered distinct documents, the one by Sebeos having been lost bar the excerpts” (Seeing Islam As Others Saw It: A Survey And Evaluation Of Christian, Jewish And Zoroastrian Writings On Early Islam [Princeton, New Jersey: The Darwin Press, Inc., 1997], p. 124, https://legrandsecretdelislam.files.wordpress.com/2016/03/r-hoyland-seeing_islam_as_other_saw_it.pdf).

[10] Ibid.

[11] Ibid., p. 129.

[12] Uri Rubin, “Muhammad’s Night Journey (isra’) to al-Masjid al-Aqsa: Aspects of the Earliest Origins of the Islamic Sanctity of Jerusalem,” al-Qantara 29 (2008): 164, https://www.academia.edu/5617249/_Muhammad_s_Night_Journey_isra_to_al-Masjid_al-Aqsa_Aspects_of_the_Earliest_Origins_of_the_Islamic_Sanctity_of_Jerusalem_.

[13] Ibid.

[14] Beatrice St. Laurent, “Discovering Jerusalem’s First Mosque on theHaram al-Sharif and Capitalizing Jerusalem in theSeventh Century,” Bridgewater Review, 36, no. 1 (May 2017): 23, https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/85c9/35af2ef8cf10a9143b98e3b7a345f86dbe82.pdf.

[15] Ibid., p. 26.

18 thoughts on “Al-Isra and the “Temple” in the Islamic Sources: Response to Sam Shamoun, Part III-B

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  2. Now that you produced your “rebuttal,” this means you are ready to debate me on Q. 17:1. Email me sam_shmn@yahoo.com or sam.shmn@gmail.com so we can arrange it. If you don’t, I am going to call you out publicly for avoiding to come to the defense of your filthy vile profit and the satan that possessed. him. You can even have this other lowlife dog Kmart come and assist you in trying to save your filthy profit.

    SO LET’S DO THIS!

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      1. You still barking like a rabid dog? Maybe if I was like your filthy profit who used his god to enslave his wives, and even wanted to dump Sauda, because she was a old fat slob, maybe then I could save my marriage. But I am not a filthy demon like he was.

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      2. stewjo004

        @ KMAK

        Wallahi I thought the same thing. All this energy that could have been used:

        1. Getting into shape
        Better health, be more manly and attractive, could satisfy his woman (let’s be honest they weren’t doing it that’s why she went over to the BBC)

        2. Getting money
        He has admitted she left and probably hit him with child support (but I don’t think he was rolling in dough)

        3. Getting beneficial knowledge
        Both religious and worldly. His arguments are childish and a classic Gisp Galloper. But on a more important note, he would have more chances to read and finally submit to his lord and worship only One God.

        So yeah KMAK this is no laughing matter and is really sad. Instead of what I listed, he prefers to be a broke, unattractive ignoramus with no stroke to satisfy a woman who will then have an untold punishment in the next life if he doesn’t repent. Umar(ra) used to cry over people like hi current situation because they get nothing in this life or the Next…

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      1. Is that all you got to say in defense of your demonized profit who violated a 9 year old girl playing with her dollies, raped married captive women in the name of your satan that you worship, prostituted women like your mother calling it muta, and wanted to dump your mother Sauda for being a old fat slob? Really? That’s it? No wonder you stone kissers aren’t men enough to debate me on your filthy, vile profit. Now when you muster enough courage to produce a bark along with your bite and decide to debate on the crap you call the Quran email me.

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      2. KMAK

        Shamoun: Is that all you got to say

        Instead of defending your ex-wife you attack the Prophet(saw)? She did the right thing by dumping your crazy a$$.

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      3. KMAK

        Shamoun: Is that all you got to say

        Instead of defending your ex-wife you attack the Prophet(saw)? She did the right thing by dumping your crazy a$$.

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    1. Atlas

      @ Fat filthy shamoun

      1) Whether Aisha was playing with dolls or not does not in any way negate puberty.
      2) Give a single sahih hadith where the prophet forcd himself upon a woman.
      3) Muta was made haram in the same way alcohol was made haram so your point is pure bullshit (like your vaginagod).
      4) There is no proof for the Prophet ‘wanting to divorce Sauda for being fat’. All the authentic hadtihs don’t mention any of that.

      So once again you along with your tities end up getting humiliated. AGAIN.
      This is just never gets old. Keep them coming fat, filthy, ugly blob and we’ll keep humiliating you. You can NEVER EVER win ANYTHING can you. That’s why you’re a DESPERATE old, fat, ugly pile of shit (like the shit that your porngod made Israelites eat their bread with: the delicious poopbread) who so badly wants to use your filthy mouth to talk over in a debate and machinegun and hide behind the comments and noise of the asslickers that worship your vaginagod.
      Your wife has left you and God has left you WAAAAY before that. Keep worshiping a man and play the ‘human-nature with god-nature in one being who is one person together with 2 other persons who are not 3 gods but one god in one being with one divinity who is the son of mary but also her god kinda and blablabla’ (you know the usual verbal diarrhea to try and cover up the biggest self-contradiction the world has ever known which is the NUMBER ONE doctrine of the pagan xtians) and you’ll burn in hell for eternity.
      Shabir Ally shit all over you in the early 2000 debate. I still can’t get over how pathetically funny it was to hear your horseshit about the angles having (what your gayfriend pervy dave calls) a boom boom room with women on earth when the verbal diarrhea about ‘they leave their natural habitath …’ left your gigantic ugly lips.

      But it’s ok fatty. Even when your wife left you, you still have your pornbook so you can still get horny and circklejerk with your crossdressing pervy gayfriend dave. Here enjoy the pornverses and whenever someone says how FILTHY and DISGUSTING that is, you can try and justify by saing it’s the ‘HOOOOOLLLYYYY WORD of God’:

      Song of Songs 8:1-3
      “If only you were to me like a brother, who was nursed at my mother’s breasts! Then, if I found you outside, I would kiss you, and no one would despise me. I would lead you and bring you to my mother’s house– she who has taught me. I would give you spiced wine to drink [i.e., her vagina’s wet!], the nectar of my pomegranates. His left arm is under my head and his right arm embraces me.”

      Song of Songs 4:5
      “Your two breasts are like two fawns, like twin fawns of a gazelle that browse among the lilies.”

      Song of Songs 1:13
      “My lover is to me a sachet of myrrh resting between my breasts.”

      Ezekiel 23:20
      There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses.

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  3. mr.heathcliff

    If anyone watched farids latest video did anyone see hatun tosh house ? these missionaries seem to be making enough money to buy some good furniture. And whats the business with bastard jay smith touching hatus leg ? Do not be surprised if that whore gets turkish delighted off camera.

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